pc had some issues with his groups over at MSN also awhile back. They wanted to move everything to another host or something, and it was a huge hassle to try to sign up at the new place. Seems like they wanted way too much information or something, as I recall. PC could probably fill you in better. I know I just said the hell with it. You have great stuff, EZ, so if you could save anything you have there that isn't already in your Yahoo Group, I would do that. otherwise, if no one's going there anymore, why bother? Just my HO, for what it's worth...